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Apps and iTunes Cards in Canada: Follow Up

Posted by enkerli on January 12, 2009

Recently blogged about this issue: though information about this appears nowhere on the card or in the terms of service, iTunes Cards (gift cards or certificates) may not be used to purchase applications on the Canadian version of the iTunes Store.

Since I posted that blog entry, a few things have happened. I did receive replies from Apple, which were rather unhelpful. The most useful one was this message:

Hello Alexandre,

I understand and apologize about your situation and i do want to assist you as much as possible . I am going to issue you 10 song credit. Again i apologize and i hope this issue gets resolved. I will also apply feedback about this issue .

Thank you for choosing iTunes Store and have a great day.

Sincerely,

Todd
iTunes Store Customer Support

I had no intention of purchasing tracks on the iTunes Store at this point but I do “appreciate the gesture.” Here’s what I wrote back:

Thanks. I wasn’t planning on downloading songs but I appreciate the gesture.

Not overwhelming gratitude on my part. Simply stating that, though this isn’t appropriate, I can still be polite.

What’s funny is that I received this reply to my simple “thank you” note:

Dear Alexandre,

You’re very welcome. I’m glad to hear that i was able to help some .

Nothing makes Apple happier than to hear that we have pleased our customers. I hope that you continue to enjoy the iTunes Store.

Thank you for choosing iTunes Store and have a great day.

Sincerely,

Todd
iTunes Store Customer Support

From that message, you’d think I had praised the iTunes Store for hours on end.

Just in case it might make a difference, I tried filing another support request. Here’s the reply on that one:

Dear Alexandre,

Welcome to the iTunes Support Site. My name is Staci and I am here to assist you.

Thank you for contacting Apple about the App Store. We’re glad you’re interested in
this new offering.

I’m sorry, but you will not be able to purchase games or applications with store
credit or an iTunes Gift Card in Canada. Customers residing in Canada may only
purchase games and applications using a credit card.

I am confident that the information provided will solve your gift card issue. If
you have further questions, I can be contacted during the hours listed below. Thank
you and have a prosperous New Year.

Sincerely,

Staci
iTunes Stores Customer Support

This one sounds even more like a canned reply and  “the information provided” doesn’t, in fact, “solve [my] gift card issue.”

Clearly, Apple isn’t “doing the right thing.” In terms of customer service, it’s not a positive experience. I did enjoy some aspects of the iTunes Store and I think it’s quite convenient. But I’m not “enjoying the iTunes Store” so much, anymore.

In the meantime, I started receiving comments on my previous blogpost on the issue. One was from someone who purchased a 150$ iTunes Card. Almost as much as the 8GB iPod nano.

Most of the advice given on this issue, outside from Apple’s unhelpful replies, has to do with things which are illicit. One would be to resell tracks purchased with this card to other iTunes users. Since the tracks are now all DRM-free, this is technically feasible. But it’s also illicit and potentially traceable. Another piece of advice, to purchase applications using an iTunes Card, is to buy a card in the US. As far as I know, this is technically doable but it also contradicts Apple terms of service.

Not good solutions, but ones which disgruntled iTunes Card buyers may contemplate.

Since then, I also received a message asking me to complete a survey about my experience with Apple support. Here’s the complaint I included in that survey:

I was given the “runaround” on a very easy issue: I need a refund.
There’s an obvious problem with the fact that iTunes Cards may not be used to purchase applications on the Canadian version of the iTunes Store. Nowhere on the card itself or even in the Terms of Service is this restriction mentioned. As this issue gains prominence, Apple could get a significant hit in consumer perception. Not sure if it will become a class action lawsuit, but it’s as significant an issue.
Email replies were disappointingly unhelpful. Instead of investigating the situation, I was led to a forum post musing about the possible reasons for this restriction. I was eventually credited ten songs even though I had no intention of getting tracks on the iTunes Store at this point.
While the amount of money is relatively small in my case, I’m getting comments on my blog from people who lost the money equivalent of an iPod nano.

Again, I probably won’t file a class action lawsuit against Apple, in part because these suits mostly make money for lawyers. But my dissatisfaction with Apple remains. In a way, it even grows, because there were several opportunities for Apple to “do the right thing.” Yes, it’s partly on principle. But it’s also a matter of the way the corporation is perceived. In this case, they sound polite but quite dismissive.

There’s no question in my mind that a mistake was made: no information on this restriction was added anywhere a gift card purchaser may find it. Because of this, people are redeeming iTunes Cards with the specific intention of enjoying their iPhone or iPod touch in a new way. As this was a season of gift-giving, some people probably received these gift cards and, thinking they might use them anywhere on iTunes, redeemed these cards instead of returning them. Only to find out, after the fact, that “you will not be able to purchase games or applications with store credit or an iTunes Gift Card in Canada.”

Bummer.

This frustration isn’t such a big deal in the abstract. But context is everything. Part of the context is the set of restrictions placed by the iTunes Store in general. It may not have been much of an issue, for a given user, that it’s impossible to buy applications directly from developers, unlike Android Market (the Google equivalent to the App Store). For casual users, this is pretty much a non-issue, especially since the App Store is so convenient. But this restriction becomes quite conspicuous once an iPhone or iPod touch user runs into this kind of problem.

There’s a broader issue. With the iTunes Store, Apple is sometimes said to have “solved micropayment.” Ever since the iTunes Music Store opened, at least part of Apple’s success has been assigned to the Amazon-like way they implemented their payment structure and it’s quite likely that the iTunes Store model has been having positive effects on the way Apple is perceived by investors. Because of the way it handles payments and reduces overhead, Apple has been able to make money on relatively small amounts of 99¢ (and, recently, 69¢). I’d call this “minipayment” because one can easily imagine even smaller amounts being paid online (for instance, a minute of cellular or long-distance communication). In this case, Nokia, eBay/Skype, and cellphone carriers have better micropayment systems. But Apple still deserves “Wall Street cred” for the way it handles small payments.

Yet, once you start thinking about Apple’s payment system in more details, say because of a bad experience with the applications section of the iTunes Store, you start noticing how flimsy the payment structure is because it relies on users willingly entering a closed system. It’s not just that the iTunes Store is closed. It’s that, once you buy on Apple, you need to restrict yourself to “Apple’s ecosystem.” This has often been the case on a technical level. It’s now a matter more visible to the casual end user: money.

From a “tech media” perspective, this closed ecosystem is part of a pattern for Apple. But the financial part isn’t frequently discussed.

It will sound like a strange analogy but it’s the one with which I come up as I think about this: IKEA bedding. Because IKEA’s measurements are metric, bed linen was an issue with IKEA-purchased mattresses in Canada. Not sure if it’s still the case but it used to be that those who bought beds at IKEA were then stuck with metric measurements for bed linen and those are difficult to find in Canada. In effect, those who purchased beds at IKEA were restricted to IKEA linen.

In computer terms, the classic case is that of a difference in fileformat between products from two developers. Apple certainly had its share of “format wars” but it mostly solved these issues. Recent Macs (including the Mac mini Intel Core Duo I’m currently using) support a Windows installation as well as Mac OS X. In terms of networking, it’s now quite easy to set up mixed networks with both Mac OS X and Windows machines. Even the music part of the iTunes Store is lifting those restrictions which made them technically incompatible with other devices. All in all, Apple has gone away from its strict control, at least in technical terms.

But in financial terms, Apple is using a fairly restrictive model for its iTunes Store. Once money gets into an account (through gift cards, allowances, or “gifting”), it can only be used on that account. Because of some restrictions specific to Canada, some of that money is restricted from use for buying applications. And Paypal isn’t available as a payment option in the Canadian iTunes Store. In effect, the only way to purchase an application for the iPhone or iPod touch is through a valid credit card. Given the fact that a majority of people are likely to have some kind of credit card, this doesn’t seem too restrictive. But there’s a variety of reasons people may not have valid credit cards and there’s no connection between buying something on the App Store and using a credit card. The iPod touch has been marketed as a gaming platform during the holidays and chances are that some iPod touch owners are children without credit cards. I’m not sure what the options are for them to buy iPod touch games. The same could be said about games for the iPod Classic, a device which clearly is used by children.

Part of the problem relates to the Canadian financial system. For one thing, debit cards with credit card numbers are rare in Canada (I’m not sure they exist). Many Canadians tend to use Interac, which does offer some advantages over credit cards, IMHO. As I’ve recently experienced, Interac now works online. It would make a lot of sense for Apple to support it online (I’m sure Canadian Apple Stores already support it). And there must be a reason Paypal, which can be used for iTunes Store purchases in the US, is unavailable in the Canadian iTunes Store.

So, yet again, Apple’s Canadian customers appear “underprivileged” by comparison with US customers. In public perception, this is pretty much a pattern for Apple.

I don’t think that the messages I’ve received helped. Though they were polite, they were dismissive as my problem was basically dismissed. From being dismissive, Apple can sound arrogant. And arrogance is tricky, in today’s marketplace.

I’m reminded of the recent Simpsons episode about Apple. Excerpts of it made their way to YouTube as they play on several gripes people have with Apple. Arrogance was clearly a key theme in that episode. Another Apple parody, the MacBook Wheel spoof from The Onion, was more directly centred on making fun of users and elements related to Apple’s perceived arrogance were less obvious.

I don’t own AAPL.0 stock but, if I did, I might sell some. Sounds silly but corporations which treats its customers in this way aren’t something I would invest in. Despite the fact that I do “invest” in Apple products.

I just wish Apple “did the right thing.”

72 Responses to “Apps and iTunes Cards in Canada: Follow Up”

  1. Annonymous said

    Whydont you just jailbreak your iPod, add cydia.hackulo.us as a source, download installous, then you can get almost every app on the iTunes store completely free.

  2. Madmo said

    I am in the same boat as the rest of you. However, this would be a great TV commercial.

    “Hi I’m Apple. I make it easy to take your money and offer nothing in return.”

    • enkerli said

      That could be neat. Maybe as a YouTube response to some App Store ads. Eventually, it might get people interested in the issue. Of course, it’s specific to Canada but that’s no reason to keep it a secret…

  3. StEC said

    I am in the same exact “Ripped Off by Apple Boat” as all of you. I am a brand new customer to Apple, never before have I owned an Apple product and I can tell you right now never again will I own an Apple product after this disgusting fiasco!!!

    I just bought the newest generation 32gig iPod Touch at Future Shop for $298 mainly for games & applications, music is only a secondary use for me. I do not have a credit card nor can I obtain one but I was excited to see iTunes Store Gift Cards (which do not say “not for games” anywhere on the cards) so for testing purposes I got the $15 card thank god I got that one because I was thinking of diving in and just getting a $50 one. Well as you all know just like you all I was shocked, disgusted, confused, angry and felt seriously ripped off to find out that I wasted not just $15 on a card that is useless to me now but that I spent $300 on a piece of electronics that is also pretty much useless to me and sold to me under false pretenses.

    I did contact Apple customer support via email and have gotten a scripted response that has been posted here already and I have since sent off a much firmer email to them tonight so I await their response on this issue now.

    What a way to welcome a new customer to Apple… lie, steal their money and slap them in the face!?!? I am so angry by this and reading all the similar disgust on this blog and many others I have searched out on the net that I do think a class action lawsuit should be considered!

    I really wish I bought the Sony PSP now.

    • enkerli said

      Sorry to hear about this. The one thing I’ll say, though, is that the easiest workaround is to buy a prepaid “credit” card. You can purchase the Vanilla Prepaid MasterCard at Shoppers’ Drug Mart and elsewhere. They work well but cost you a few dollars more. I’ve used a couple of those before getting a BMO travel card (cheap, easy refills, etc.). Apparently, there’s a similar issue with the PSP store and, in Sony’s case, the prepaid cards don’t seem to work very consistently.

  4. enkerli said

    Speaking of follow-ups, seems like Apple Canada is admitting that it’s not a law which prevents it from accepting gift cards in the Canadian App Store.
    Now, if we can all get refunds…

  5. It’s sad to see this happens. I’m certain many good souls would pay for a legal copy of their apps but end up jailbreaking their devices because of such ridiculous policies. I guess I will have to, in the end!

  6. mat said

    wtf is up with apple stelling my money stupied retardes can at lest put the resrtictions on the card … like wtf!

  7. Kelly said

    Omg I have the same situation here!!! I just bought a $15 card just to buy apps for my ipod touch, who knows there are these weird rules about itunes card.When I click “buy now” for this app, it didnt work so I tried to buy a song to see if it works and now I have $14.01 with no apps . I AM SO PISSED, before buying the itunes card i was thinking should I jailbreak or buy apps legally, I guess now I know the answer :P

  8. I’ve been pursuing this issue for some time. The Canadian Minister of Industry (Hon. Tony Clement) has stated in a letter to my MP and myself that he is unaware of any Canadian laws preventing me from using iTunes store credit for purchasing apps. See his letter here:

    http://www.jimwhitelaw.com/2009/09/itunes-credit-in-canada.html

    • enkerli said

      Thank you very much for working so diligently on this. My guess is that Apple interprets a law too strictly and that it should simply allow us to use those cards. My guess is that this letter can, in fact, serve as leverage as we try to get Apple to acknowledge the problem. In the meantime, I mostly hope that Apple can at least warn Canadians through the redeeming page.

      Thanks again.

  9. TJ said

    What if we get a itunes gift card, and then put a credit card on, and then could we just buy it with the iTunes card itself?

  10. Morgan said

    I had the EXACT SAME PROBLEM! I myself am going on a 5 hour flight next week and my only intentions for the card was to purchase some applications to help pass the time. I am truly dissapointed with apple!!!!
    I just sent them an e-mail, I tried to be half nice about it. If they e-mail me back and say how they don’t know how to fix it or they’re sorry for the inconvience they will be getting a very nasty reply about how that was such a waste of my money!!!!!!
    I’m getting more fed up with apple every day, and if this issue isn’t resolved this will be my first and VERY LAST iTunes card.
    -Morgan

    • enkerli said

      Glad your email to Apple was at least half-nice. It’s sometimes a bit hard to remain civil about such things.
      And it’s easy to be fed up with Apple as a company. I’m a fan of several of their products and I even trust them in terms of coming out with innovative projects. But the company itself has a lot of negative stuff in its track record. Maybe it’s just too big.

    • jon said

      And notice how this ‘law’ doesnt appear to apply to:

      Xbox 360 Live arcade games
      Wii Virtual Console games
      PS3 game points

      all of which allow you to download software for points….sounds way too much like an excuse to get us to put an open credit card on Itunes to me….

      • enkerli said

        I know what you mean. And it’s possible that it’s an excuse. But, in that case, it’s weird that they would only do this in Canada. Maybe, as with SOx and iPod touch upgrades, it’s more of an overly strict interpretation of the law?

  11. Cory said

    I communicated with a rep through the Online chat through Apple.com/support/itunes

    They basically said its due to Canadian Federal Tax laws that ONLY apps need a credit card and nothing else, i just bought music tracks and it never asked for a credit card. I think its pure bull that we need one, i asked about this on a forum and they say its required cause apps are taxed, but aren’t music and games taxed also ??

    If you bought the gift card at a local 7-11 or game/electronics store where iPods are sold it should be ok to use them as long as iTunes can take the price and tax from the balance on the account. I don’t trust apple with a credit card on file this is why i got a gift card, but thats just not enough.

    • enkerli said

      Sounds awkward but not that surprising. Some of these laws are quite strange. It’s possible that Apple is overzealous with this but they most likely interpret the tax law to mean that they need to charge differently for apps. Preventing Canadians from buying apps with a gift card isn’t in their interest. I do wish they’d at least put up a page, when you redeem the card, saying that it’s not valid on app purchases. And they should allow for some other method to buy apps. Of course, as has been mentioned here, gift MasterCards found at pharmacies and card stores do work on the iTunes store.

      • Cory said

        You thought about going to the top of the food chain and writing Steve Jobs ??

        sjobs[at]apple.com and CC it to steve[at]mac.com and Steve[at]Apple.com
        See if he’ll atleast push the concern and maybe get it corrected cause who’ll say no to the Boss ??

  12. Coreena said

    I just found that my VISA giftcard worked with no trouble… I guess I will be purchasing those from now on instead of the itunes ones.

  13. jon said

    Hey,

    suffereing the same as you guys, but still at the stage where apple claims it doesnt understand what the problem is with my account.

    Am heading out to the retailer I brought this from yesterday night to ask for a refund, doubt it will work, but if it does, perhaps we can start to force apple to give us our money back?

    I want apps, I already got all the music I wanted. I found no information about the card not being usable for what I needed, so it is a misleading sale as far as I am concerned.

    Wish me luck.

    :)

    • enkerli said

      Good luck!

      • jon said

        Well they didnt refund or exchange, but the manager offered to buy the card off me with his own cash, which is astonishing. I could be all jaded and suggest he would expense it anyway, but choose to decide it was a nice gesture :) Put money on account in the end, I am sure I will use it, and don’t want to inflict my misfortune on others!

        Oddly Itunes allowed me to download two apps yesterday, but now bugs me with a message that says I owe $1.98 to apple – of course I now have that $15 sitting in credit, so will leave that as a stalemate, and see what happens :)

        I wonder who I could annoy if I went to the apple store in the mall and asked for my change in US$ because I only accept that currency – perhaps when I am bored :)

  14. Mitch said

    Hey Philip, I own a PSP too, and had to use it to play music, videos, pictures, etc. it was as big as a brick, and not an ideal mp3 player so I go out and buy a 8gb iPod Touch, it’s great so I download some free apps and sync all my music, then I find that I want to buy some apps, so I get an iTunes card and found out that I couldn’t buy apps without a credit card! I don’t have a credit card, and I suppose most kids over the age of 13 don’t have one either!GGAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH! I hate Apple! They also just recently released a new firmware called 3.0 and I can’t get it because you need a stupid credit card! I ended up having to download the file off the internet for free, I installed it and found out it wasn’t worth 10 bucks. 3/4 friends of mine also have this issue about not being able to buy apps, and the 4th one doesn’t even own an iPod Touch! I’ve always liked Apple but i’ve started hating them ever since I got iTunes.

    • enkerli said

      I feel your pain. Unfortunately, there isn’t much we can do, apart from using prepaid credit cards and such. As you say, there are people who don’t have credit cards, for several reasons. It’s a bit silly to restrict purchases to credit cards. There might be a legal reason behind this. But it still seems absurd.

  15. Anonymous said

    I JUST BOUGHT A 32 GIG IPOD TOUCH AND CAN’T BUY ANY APPS. I AM PISSED. I AWS GOING TO ALSO BUY A MAC BOOK. NOT ANYMORE….

  16. Dave Pretty said

    In a slightly different vein, I’m having trouble with Itunes player itself and I’m starting to sense that my complaints are just receiving canned lip-service type replys. The player is no longer playing about $150 worth of Itunes I bought and despite following the online advise it still does not work. It keeps telling me I’m not authorized…blah blah. After the initial polite response I have not heard a peep from Apple. I get the sense that they have their money and there’s lots of paying customers left out there so they Apple is not too concerned about me.

    • enkerli said

      Care to provide a bit more details?
      Do you have more than one iTunes account? How many computers have you authorized with this specific iTunes account? When did the problem occur? Are some of these tracks available as iTunes Plus?
      As for canned responses, would you be able to share some?

  17. Paco said

    you can file a complaint through BBB, and provide deatils. If a large number of us do, maybe they’ll respond.

  18. J. said

    i just got a $20 card cuz im not 18 either and I found some apps I really wanted. To my utter disappointment, I’m here facing a screen that says to enter my credit card information. And then I find out that we can’t buy apps with the card in canada.

    could they not at least STATE IT SOMEWHERE. how many people have they scammed. seriously, when I mentioned it, 4/10 friends had teh same problem, they just never got around to mentioning it.

    apple’s a great company but this seriously. is horrible.

  19. irene said

    HEY ITUNES ARE YOU JUST GOING TO DO NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    BECAUSE ITS YOUR MISTAKE THAT YOU DIDENT TELL US WE CANT BUY APPS WITH A GIFT CARD!!

    AND IF YOU ASK ME WE SHOULDENT PAY FOR YOUR MISTAKES!!

    SO CANT YOU JUST AT LEAST TELL PEOPLE YOU CANT BUY APPS WITH A GIFT CARD!!

  20. irene said

    hello itunes i just bought a 15$ itunes card so i could buy some apps.

    However the card did not say i couldent buy apps for my ipod touch i am very fusterated what sould i do???

    • enkerli said

      Irene,
      As you might have noticed, several of us have had the same issue. So far, it doesn’t seem like Apple is doing anything to reimburse those of us who bought gift cards to buy apps. As you note, the problem is with the fact that we weren’t told about this limitation.

      • irene said

        well then its kind of a scam if they dont tell us if you think about it.

        i mean come on itunes at least lable it

    • Glen said

      I too just purchased a $15.00 card from a local grocery store so I could pick up an application I wanted. I had recently removed my credit card from the Itunes Store and after I entered the card and went to purchase the app I was told that I needed a credit card. Further digging, such as going to the website on the back of the card was a dud. They have since changed where the gift card faq is located.

      I have just filed a complaint with Consumer and Corporate Affairs Canada. I have also left a complaint demanding my money back from Apple Canada.

      • enkerli said

        Good thinking. If we all do the same, maybe Apple will respond more appropriately?
        Could you fill us in on how these complaints are filed?

      • irene said

        yes we should!

        i mean are we gona let apple scam people????

        i wont!!!

  21. Django said

    Though not related to the iTunes cards, I’ve been feeling frustration with the iTunes Store now.

    I have recently relocated from Canada to Ireland, and as my credit card was about to expire I changed my mailing address.

    Obviously the iTunes store is not the best place to buy music online, I much prefer digital-tunes.net (d/l mp3@320, flac, and wav), but this caters to my somewhat less-mainstream musical tastes. For a pop song that I’m not looking to re/mix with iTunes is the easiest place.

    Unfortunately its not that easy, having an iTunes Canada account is not enough to buy a song, the credit card billing address must be in Canada. Ok, so this is understandable (sort of). But when I switched to the iTunes Ireland store, and tried to use my card, it was considered invalid, probably because no visa issuing financial institutions in Ireland use the series of numbers on my card. (This is not an issue with any of the other digital music suppliers I use)

    With the increasingly globalized economy, transnational workforce, and the long standing crisis in the music industry, obtaining music legally should be much easier than the alternative.

    • enkerli said

      Nice to hear from you!
      And thanks for your comments.
      As you might expect, I fully agree with you. In fact, I’ve been thinking quite a bit about the globalisation angle (and the irrelevance of borders in terms of online activities). The crisis in the recording industry has been a long-standing theme, for me. As for the legal issues, you obviously know about Creative Commons and such…

      I didn’t know about the restriction on credit card numbers themselves. It might be new, as Apple is adding different things to the iTunes Terms of Service to specify restrictions based on location. They don’t seem to be tracking IP addresses yet but it’d be “logical” (within the logic of the RIAA, with which Apple has been working) to block “foreign” credit cards.

      BTW, since you’re in Ireland and you’re interested in the “property rights” angle used with music, you might be interested in fellow ethnomusicologist Anthony McCann’s work. The case of the Irish recording industry constraining the work of traditional musicians is quite illuminating and McCann’s approach is quite appropriate. He seems to be in Ulster but he knows about the Sunny South.

  22. enkerli said

    @Karen I probably didn’t explain this properly: the cheapest Vanilla MasterCard is 28$ (25$ value plus 3$ of fees).

    @AlexT If nothing changes, the App Store will ruin all holidays, for some people.
    Ah, well…

  23. alexT said

    Man i am sooo disappointed. I asked my wife to get me an itunes gift card for Valentines day. She obliged and I was very excited to start getting apps.. then to my horror as well as everyone elses i was unable to download any applications. in a last ditch effort i tried to download a song to see if i was doing something wrong. to my surprise it took off a dollar. so i started googling for advice and i came across this blog. i really dont know what to say. im sad and heartbroken. now i have 24.01 and no apps and my Valentines gift was rendered useless.

  24. Karen said

    Lol, I just got a $15 Gift card from Safeway since there are a few apps I really wanted to get, so I got the cheapest one to try it out. It’s not as big of a loss as those who spent $150 for one, but still, like a lot of people said, I got it only for applications, so now I don’t know what to do with it. I /hope/ they’ll make it available for Canadians, but that’s very unlikely.

    And yeah, I agree with the person that said they should have mentioned this on the card.

    Btw, thanks for telling us about the prepaid Vanilla MasterCards, I’ll try looking for one. $3-$5 is all I need, anyways. :D There’s a few $.99/$1.99 apps I want.

  25. enkerli said

    @PJ Good point about the law itself. It would be important that Apple cite the law itself. Not only would it be easier to have a public debate about that law but it would have helped Apple retain some of people’s trust. Transparency works well.
    My personal problem, though, isn’t with the law itself, at this point. It’s with the way Apple handled this Canada-specific law. They don’t put any information about it anywhere, the official terms of service have nothing about this law, they selectively reimburse some people who purchased iTunes cards to buy applications, and they make vague comments about the situation.
    It’s partly a question of public relations. I’m clearly no Apple-hater but my trust in Apple has been wavering. Commenters on this blog have voiced similar opinions (often in more forceful ways). In my opinion, it sounds like the onset of a class-action lawsuit. Even worse, disgruntled users who aren’t vocal may generate very negative opinions of Apple which could spread around.
    Part of this I say as an observer of the relationships between organizations and human beings.

  26. PJ said

    Thanks for blogging about this. I hate this. I follow lots of iPod Touch reviewers and forums where free promo codes are given out for new apps. Guess what? Can’t use them in Canada. I’ve been searching everywhere and can’t find the law that this restriction refers to. Hard to get a law changed if you don’t even know what it is. It seems like a real moronic law and behind the times with the Internet.

  27. James said

    oh thanks

  28. enkerli said

    @James
    Well, there are different ways. I recently bought a prepaid Vanilla MasterCard at a Shopper’s Drug Mart. These do work. They cost 3-5$ and aren’t refillable, but they’re still convenient.

  29. James said

    i just bought a friggan ipod touch and now i find out i cant even get the apps with it no wonder everyone is jail breaking theirs

    great post Enkerli

  30. enkerli said

    @Ben Good point about this not appearing on the card. Customers shouldn’t have to dig for this information.

    @Mike Your reaction is understandable. I occasionally feel like this but I also happen to enjoy several of their products. So, the effect of this problem on me isn’t a flat-out boycott but it does affect the way I perceive Apple and, more specifically, the App Store.

  31. Mike said

    I’m seriously starting to hate apple. Everything is going wrong with them, even though I’ve been a fan for a long time. Just as a pre-note, money doesn’t come around easily here. Especially for someone under 18 trying to survive.

    To start off, my powerbook G4 is starting to fail. While it was in warranty, I got a bunch of vertical lines a pixel thick that refused to dissapear. They were there all the time. ON A $3000 COMPUTER, THE SCREEN WAS FAILING A YEAR AFTER PURCHASE! Anyways, sent it back, and got it fixed… Now, I got another 4 lines today, while it is out of warranty, and I found out it will cost in excess of $1000 to fix. SCREW THAT!

    A little while ago, I purchased an 8GB ipod touch.. after an earlier ipod broke. So, I saved up for a looong time for the ipod touch. Of course, I was super excited for that. Downloaded tons of free apps, but I found they never really satisfied what I was looking for. So, I went out to buy an itunes gift card today (remember, under 18 so I can’t get a credit card) and practically ran home to redeem it! There were tons of apps I was looking forward to get. After fumbling around for 10 minutes trying to get it to work, but to no avail. As if they just let it slide that you can’t get apps in Canada from a card!

    This is seriously disappointing, and I don’t think I’ll ever purchase another apple product again.

  32. Ben said

    ..nvm i just looked at the site again to make sure they say nothing about canadian apps not downloading and it says that it doesnt work with a card, but it still sucks that i bought the card, and it doesnt say anything on the card…

  33. Ben said

    I live in canada and i got a itunes card for christmas. My only intention of this card was to buy games from the apps store. I have searched through the apple site for anything about the cards saying that they do not work in canada. I find it extreemly frusterating that after paying $300 for an ipod touch, and $25 on a gift card that i can’t download paid apps. All of this because of an invisable line… I am also less than 19 years old, so i am unable to get a credit card, so it is impossibal for me to buy apps.

  34. enkerli said

    @Freddy Thanks for sharing.

  35. Freddy said

    Very annoying, I got a Canadian gift card for christmas and put it on my account. When I bought a .99 item I noticed Itunes charged my card instead of my ample ‘gift card’ balance. My first and last paid purchase from the Itunes store.

  36. enkerli said

    @Vitalyok That make a couple of people saying this. I upgraded my ‘touch firmware as early as possible and been very happy with it. All those free apps…

  37. Vitalyok said

    I still refuse to upgrade my Ipod touch firmware.

  38. enkerli said

    @Owen At this point, I’m getting a bit tired of being asked a credit card number everywhere. I’ll be getting a prepaid card for online purchases but I still find it inconvenient, in general.

    Android has good geek cred and some neat apps. But the G1 phone isn’t so good. Played with one for a few minutes and I was unimpressed. Even the phone’s owner wasn’t that enthusiastic. Battery life is quite bad and the device itself feels quite clunky.
    I love my ‘touch with firmware 2.2. Lots of cool apps. Though, I do agree about the annoyance.

  39. I still refuse to upgrade my Ipod touch firmware. I purchased it well after the app store upgrade came out, but the one I bought hadn’t been updated. Apple still wanted 12 or so dollars to upgrade a bran new touch…

    Not that my bitching changes anything about apple, but did I mention the first page that popped up when I plugged the thing in was “ENTER YOUR CREDIT CARD INFORMATION”.

    I’m really looking forward to hearing more about Android.

  40. enkerli said

    @Philip Thanks for dropping by. As you put it so clearly, Apple has a problem, here. Will people there listen?

  41. Philip said

    Nice to see others are grumbling about this issue, I own a 3rd gen Nano, and spent about 15 minutes going in circles to the billing page trying to figure out what the money in my account Apple already has isn’t sufficient to pay for a $6 game. I’m hoping they address this issue, otherwise my first ‘gift card’ purchase will be my last, and I’ll put up with the horrible interface on my PSP to play my music AND games.

  42. enkerli said

    Congrats on getting a manager to offer you credit! Impressive! And I like your attitude. Teasing Apple about this might not be more effective than anything else we’ve tried, but it’s much nicer than a class-action suit. ;-)

  43. enkerli said

    I’d be a bit surprised that Jobs himself would respond well to messages directed at him personally, but it’s worth a try. He’s written at least one open letter before so maybe he’ll read some.

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